August 19, 2008
Sidewinder Resurfaces
A seasoned, 30-year career Canadian diplomat, Mr. McAdam's assignments included London, Copenhagen, Barbados, Amman, Bangkok, Bogota, Dublin, Helsinki, Glasgow, Tokyo and, twice, Hong Kong.His second Hong Kong posting, 1989 to 1993, as immigration control officer, included responsibility for southern China. He was tasked with protecting Canada from international people-smuggling rings, murderers and drug-smuggling, organized criminals from China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Macau and Hong Kong.
It was his last posting.
Read the whole thing. Finally, Donna Jacobs is doing what the rest of the mainstream media "investigative journalists" should hang in their heads in shame over.Flashback - to his credit, Peter Worthington wasn't afraid to mention the Sidewinder report in an op-ed in 2005. A search of SDA will turn up other old items, though some of the links are now dead. If anyone has the link to the once available surviving copy of the original Sidewinder report (officially ordered destroyed by the Chretien government), let me know, and I'll rehost them myself.
Update - here it is. Sidewinder: Chinese Intelligence Services and Triads Financial Links in Canada.
Posted by Kate at August 19, 2008 6:09 AM
Comments
This one?
http://www.primetimecrime.com/Articles/RobertRead/Sidewinder%20page%201.htm
Posted by: MsMew at August 19, 2008 9:08 AM
http://www.primetimecrime.com/Articles/RobertRead/Sidewinder%20page%201.htm
Posted by: MsMew at August 19, 2008 9:08 AM
Jesus, that' absolutely frightening. How corrupt is Immigration Canada and Foreign Affairs? This country seems to be in the hands of vile corrupt government workers, I look forward to part two of this expose'.
Posted by: Rose at August 19, 2008 9:32 AM
Posted by: Rose at August 19, 2008 9:32 AM
Watch the "What committee investigation can we launch today?" Liberals maintain dead silence on this one.
Posted by: Kate at August 19, 2008 9:34 AM
Posted by: Kate at August 19, 2008 9:34 AM
In the mean time, Chretien is bashing Harper for snubbing China at the games.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080818.WBwbradwanski20080818131357/WBStory/WBwbradwanski/
Everyone click the link in the story titled "intersected" for the skinny on Chretien's business dealings with both the Chinese government and Power Corp.
The Librano crime family won't be stopped by a simple Adscam scandal which the family swept under the rug.
Posted by: Warwick at August 19, 2008 9:48 AM
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080818.WBwbradwanski20080818131357/WBStory/WBwbradwanski/
Everyone click the link in the story titled "intersected" for the skinny on Chretien's business dealings with both the Chinese government and Power Corp.
The Librano crime family won't be stopped by a simple Adscam scandal which the family swept under the rug.
Posted by: Warwick at August 19, 2008 9:48 AM
Man, this is better than the Romanian strippers, eh? I sooooo want to see Harper toss this one down in front of Stephan Dion in an election debate, and watch that idiot SHRIVEL in his socks.
Immigration Canada corrupt? OBVIOUSLY. Where the hell do people think all the organized crime in Toronto came from? We IMPORTED it. Most of the dis-organized crime too.
Posted by: The Phantom at August 19, 2008 9:52 AM
Immigration Canada corrupt? OBVIOUSLY. Where the hell do people think all the organized crime in Toronto came from? We IMPORTED it. Most of the dis-organized crime too.
Posted by: The Phantom at August 19, 2008 9:52 AM
Hmmm will a certain Chretien fan post that he argees that Canada has no influence and that Human Rights arent worth adressing?
Just wondering. Will we see the sycophants who work at TREB also chime in?
America should be stood up to because it wont punish us but China isnt worth standing up to because it will, or something like that.
Look, Chretien is doing his job. He has been bought and paid for, no different than other lobbyists or lawyers working for clients. Just too bad that the mantle of his formr office gives his trasactional ethics any weight, why some people worship the getaway car driver is beyond me.
Posted by: Stephen at August 19, 2008 10:03 AM
Just wondering. Will we see the sycophants who work at TREB also chime in?
America should be stood up to because it wont punish us but China isnt worth standing up to because it will, or something like that.
Look, Chretien is doing his job. He has been bought and paid for, no different than other lobbyists or lawyers working for clients. Just too bad that the mantle of his formr office gives his trasactional ethics any weight, why some people worship the getaway car driver is beyond me.
Posted by: Stephen at August 19, 2008 10:03 AM
In case anyone is interested,*corruption* is how a lousy,no-good,uneducated,POS,crazy HEAD HACKING MONSTER was able to get into Canada as an IMMIGRANT and murder a sleeping CANADIAN on a bus to Winnipeg.
Posted by: Mr.g at August 19, 2008 10:04 AM
Posted by: Mr.g at August 19, 2008 10:04 AM
Joe Clark was Minister of Foreign Affairs during the late 80-s early 90's. He was a notorious suck up to China ad just "somehow" several of his former campaign supporters "somehow" forged links which China and "somehow" are now all multi millionaires.
Oh, and "somehow" Joe Clark became the Liberal's secret weapon to split the Conservative/right parties so the Liberals could pillage our country and help their communist buddies un-challenged for more than a decade.
Thanks Joe - treason anyone?
Posted by: lmf at August 19, 2008 10:15 AM
Oh, and "somehow" Joe Clark became the Liberal's secret weapon to split the Conservative/right parties so the Liberals could pillage our country and help their communist buddies un-challenged for more than a decade.
Thanks Joe - treason anyone?
Posted by: lmf at August 19, 2008 10:15 AM
In my opininon John Cretien was about as close as this country has ever come to having an organized crime boss sit at the head of a government. He even had a member of a crime family in his cabinet.
This is the 'hidden Conservative agenda' the Liberals are so frightened about. If the Conservatives ever gain a majority and the investigative powers that accompany it, the Liberals are terrified that Mr. Harper may decide to look into some of these corrupt practices.
Posted by: Powell Lucas at August 19, 2008 10:34 AM
This is the 'hidden Conservative agenda' the Liberals are so frightened about. If the Conservatives ever gain a majority and the investigative powers that accompany it, the Liberals are terrified that Mr. Harper may decide to look into some of these corrupt practices.
Posted by: Powell Lucas at August 19, 2008 10:34 AM
One thing about this I find curious.
SECRET was replaced with another classification in the late 80's. This report date is '97.
The new system was coming in as I was going out the gate. I might be missing something or mistaken.
Can someone clarify?
Posted by: Nightmare at August 19, 2008 10:37 AM
SECRET was replaced with another classification in the late 80's. This report date is '97.
The new system was coming in as I was going out the gate. I might be missing something or mistaken.
Can someone clarify?
Posted by: Nightmare at August 19, 2008 10:37 AM
Was this why Chretien changed the corporate donations to political parties, so no one would be able to clue in that perhaps the Chinese had bought the Liberal Party?
Posted by: molarmauler at August 19, 2008 10:46 AM
Posted by: molarmauler at August 19, 2008 10:46 AM
"SECRET was replaced with another classification in the late 80's. This report date is '97."
No, SECRET still exists. The new system you were refering to is a security designation, which has 3 levels; Protected A, Protected B and Protected C. These designations apply to material that while sensitive, does not pose a risk to National Interest if compromised. The RCMP uses this sytem as does the military, but the military only uses it for personal, medical, or similar information.
Material that if compromised poses a risk of injury to National Interest is still classified either CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET, or TOP SECRET depending upon the sensitivity of the information. Such material would include intelligence reports and operational plans. The Sidewinder report is clearly an intelligence report, therefore it is not surprising that this report was classified SECRET. What is alarming is that this material was leaked and posted to the web.
On another note: anyone else find it interesting that McAdams career ended roughly the time that Johnny Crouton and the Liberanos came to power?
Posted by: Brett at August 19, 2008 11:08 AM
No, SECRET still exists. The new system you were refering to is a security designation, which has 3 levels; Protected A, Protected B and Protected C. These designations apply to material that while sensitive, does not pose a risk to National Interest if compromised. The RCMP uses this sytem as does the military, but the military only uses it for personal, medical, or similar information.
Material that if compromised poses a risk of injury to National Interest is still classified either CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET, or TOP SECRET depending upon the sensitivity of the information. Such material would include intelligence reports and operational plans. The Sidewinder report is clearly an intelligence report, therefore it is not surprising that this report was classified SECRET. What is alarming is that this material was leaked and posted to the web.
On another note: anyone else find it interesting that McAdams career ended roughly the time that Johnny Crouton and the Liberanos came to power?
Posted by: Brett at August 19, 2008 11:08 AM
If this is true, and I suspect it is, I wonder how extensively the Chinese are involved in the US. Does anyone have any information?
Posted by: Orlin at August 19, 2008 11:13 AM
Posted by: Orlin at August 19, 2008 11:13 AM
Chretien changed the rules for a number of reasons
1) To provide cover for the Liberal party to look "clean"
2) To screw Paul Martin, who would have expected lots of corporate donations
3) To cement, in his mind, the Liberal party. The rules stated that parties would get $x per vote. Chretien saw the Liberal party always gathering the most votes, especially with a divided opposition.
Chretien brought about 2 unitintended consequences. He didnt count on this forcing the two right wing parties back together, part of it because they couldnt survive on their own financially.
He didnt count on the individual support that the conservatives could garner, Liberals dont inspire that kind of response.
Liberals have always counted on Government money or coprorate money, due to being in power.
This will definitely how up in this election. I still beleive they should make loans illegal, no matter the source. Force direct fundraising from individuals and not allow debt to falsely reflect support. Forces arties to be responsible for their own affairs and might mean this attitude would filter into how they run government.
Yup JC handed his beloved Liberal party a nice burning bag of poo...maybe one day they will recoginize the "gift" he gave them and treat him appropriately.
Posted by: Stephen at August 19, 2008 11:16 AM
1) To provide cover for the Liberal party to look "clean"
2) To screw Paul Martin, who would have expected lots of corporate donations
3) To cement, in his mind, the Liberal party. The rules stated that parties would get $x per vote. Chretien saw the Liberal party always gathering the most votes, especially with a divided opposition.
Chretien brought about 2 unitintended consequences. He didnt count on this forcing the two right wing parties back together, part of it because they couldnt survive on their own financially.
He didnt count on the individual support that the conservatives could garner, Liberals dont inspire that kind of response.
Liberals have always counted on Government money or coprorate money, due to being in power.
This will definitely how up in this election. I still beleive they should make loans illegal, no matter the source. Force direct fundraising from individuals and not allow debt to falsely reflect support. Forces arties to be responsible for their own affairs and might mean this attitude would filter into how they run government.
Yup JC handed his beloved Liberal party a nice burning bag of poo...maybe one day they will recoginize the "gift" he gave them and treat him appropriately.
Posted by: Stephen at August 19, 2008 11:16 AM
The criminal mindset amongst the Liberals was forged in the belief that they would always be 'the natural governing party' ..in perpetuity.. and that no one would ever be investigated because they would control the process.
Just look at Gagliano, who today is still incredulous (and still trying to squirm off the hook..) that he was ever charged in the first place.That more Liberals didn't go to jail over adscam is testimony to the fact that there were a lot of civil servants (including prosecutors and judges..) who did not want to see their idealogical stablemates go to jail.
Hey Cherniak, you can't stifle the truth on this blog, no matter how hard you try when you delete posts critical of your heroes.
Posted by: Kursk at August 19, 2008 11:17 AM
Just look at Gagliano, who today is still incredulous (and still trying to squirm off the hook..) that he was ever charged in the first place.That more Liberals didn't go to jail over adscam is testimony to the fact that there were a lot of civil servants (including prosecutors and judges..) who did not want to see their idealogical stablemates go to jail.
Hey Cherniak, you can't stifle the truth on this blog, no matter how hard you try when you delete posts critical of your heroes.
Posted by: Kursk at August 19, 2008 11:17 AM
This just enforces what many of us in Lotusland already knew to be true.
What pisses me off is there actually was an official investigation, but didn't go anywhere! Why? More suck-holing to political correctness? Were these scumbags making big donations to the Liebranos?
That the crook Li Ka-Shing owns up to one third of downtown Vancouver is particularily disturbing...if if were up to me, he'd be forced to put it up for sale immediately. No more foreign ownership, period! Particularily of real estate! Permitting wanton Chinese foreign ownership has f*ckED the real estate market in Vancouver, such that those of us who were born here can't afford to get in and are forced to rent from these greedy bastards now!
Posted by: Edward Teach at August 19, 2008 11:39 AM
What pisses me off is there actually was an official investigation, but didn't go anywhere! Why? More suck-holing to political correctness? Were these scumbags making big donations to the Liebranos?
That the crook Li Ka-Shing owns up to one third of downtown Vancouver is particularily disturbing...if if were up to me, he'd be forced to put it up for sale immediately. No more foreign ownership, period! Particularily of real estate! Permitting wanton Chinese foreign ownership has f*ckED the real estate market in Vancouver, such that those of us who were born here can't afford to get in and are forced to rent from these greedy bastards now!
Posted by: Edward Teach at August 19, 2008 11:39 AM
This just enforces what many of us in Lotusland already knew to be true.
What pisses me off is there actually was an official investigation, but didn't go anywhere! Why? More suck-holing to political correctness? Were these scumbags making big donations to the Liebranos?
That the crook Li Ka-Shing owns up to one third of downtown Vancouver is particularily disturbing...if if were up to me, he'd be forced to put it up for sale immediately. No more foreign ownership, period! Particularily of real estate! Permitting wanton Chinese foreign ownership has f*ckED the real estate market in Vancouver, such that those of us who were born here can't afford to get in and are forced to rent from these greedy bastards now!
Posted by: Edward Teach at August 19, 2008 11:40 AM
What pisses me off is there actually was an official investigation, but didn't go anywhere! Why? More suck-holing to political correctness? Were these scumbags making big donations to the Liebranos?
That the crook Li Ka-Shing owns up to one third of downtown Vancouver is particularily disturbing...if if were up to me, he'd be forced to put it up for sale immediately. No more foreign ownership, period! Particularily of real estate! Permitting wanton Chinese foreign ownership has f*ckED the real estate market in Vancouver, such that those of us who were born here can't afford to get in and are forced to rent from these greedy bastards now!
Posted by: Edward Teach at August 19, 2008 11:40 AM
Nice to see some interest in the sidewinder report. The infiltration or Triad agents and Chi-com spies into Canadian business sector and influential positions with the Chretien government is something rarely discussed about the Chretien regime era (IMHO the most corrupt and venal political machine Canada has ever suffered under).
But Sidewinder seems genetic in its nature as Liberal governments have been infiltrated by communist subverters before as reported in the RCMP's operation featherbed file.
http://tinyurl.com/5wtg6u
" June 12, 2005
Odd tale of Sidewinder
OTTAWA MUTES PROBE INTO TRIADS, AND CONSPIRACY BUFFS HAVE A FIELD DAY, PETER WORTHINGTON LEARNS
By PETER WORTHINGTON, TORONTO SUN
THROUGHOUT the 1970s, conspiracy buffs and others were obsessed with something called the "Featherbed file," supposedly compiled by the RCMP security service, alleging Soviet/communist links with high-level Canadian politicians -- especially prime ministers Pierre Trudeau and Lester Pearson.
It turned out that the Featherbed file existed but was never made public; neither espionage nor treasonous innuendo were ever proven.
Even though Featherbed was raised in Parliament, few answers were ever forthcoming. Its contents remained in the shadows, and became a topic for spy novelists and columnists.""
You can thank mitless Joe (Jurassic) Clark for that. The Featherbed file was completed and tabled to the Trudeau cabinet who kept is under wraps...that is until Clark unexpectedly won his minority government. One of Trudeau's last acts as Prime Minister was to bamboozle his naive successor, Joe Clark, into an agreement to ensure that the feather bed files would be sealed for another twenty years by labeling them "state secrets". Clark (to his everlasting shame) stupidly sealed this info on KGB infiltration (up to the ministry level) of the Pearson&Trudeau governments. THIS is why parliament never discussed it and it was put beyond media vision.
I've no idea if the status as state secrets has expired on these files but they would be worth being re examined in the public light to give us a glimpse at the blasé attitude Liberal governments had towards communist/soviet imperialism, spying and hegemony.
I don't see any change in this LPC self destructive empathy with communist tyranny and subversion...Sidewinder reconfirms this.
Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at August 19, 2008 11:40 AM
But Sidewinder seems genetic in its nature as Liberal governments have been infiltrated by communist subverters before as reported in the RCMP's operation featherbed file.
http://tinyurl.com/5wtg6u
" June 12, 2005
Odd tale of Sidewinder
OTTAWA MUTES PROBE INTO TRIADS, AND CONSPIRACY BUFFS HAVE A FIELD DAY, PETER WORTHINGTON LEARNS
By PETER WORTHINGTON, TORONTO SUN
THROUGHOUT the 1970s, conspiracy buffs and others were obsessed with something called the "Featherbed file," supposedly compiled by the RCMP security service, alleging Soviet/communist links with high-level Canadian politicians -- especially prime ministers Pierre Trudeau and Lester Pearson.
It turned out that the Featherbed file existed but was never made public; neither espionage nor treasonous innuendo were ever proven.
Even though Featherbed was raised in Parliament, few answers were ever forthcoming. Its contents remained in the shadows, and became a topic for spy novelists and columnists.""
You can thank mitless Joe (Jurassic) Clark for that. The Featherbed file was completed and tabled to the Trudeau cabinet who kept is under wraps...that is until Clark unexpectedly won his minority government. One of Trudeau's last acts as Prime Minister was to bamboozle his naive successor, Joe Clark, into an agreement to ensure that the feather bed files would be sealed for another twenty years by labeling them "state secrets". Clark (to his everlasting shame) stupidly sealed this info on KGB infiltration (up to the ministry level) of the Pearson&Trudeau governments. THIS is why parliament never discussed it and it was put beyond media vision.
I've no idea if the status as state secrets has expired on these files but they would be worth being re examined in the public light to give us a glimpse at the blasé attitude Liberal governments had towards communist/soviet imperialism, spying and hegemony.
I don't see any change in this LPC self destructive empathy with communist tyranny and subversion...Sidewinder reconfirms this.
Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at August 19, 2008 11:40 AM
In fact they should enforce a payables requirement, which is that all payables are paid by 30 days after the election date.
Banks should only float short term bridge loans. No party should be emboldened to any institution other than their individual party donors. That on its own would tighten up discipline, on both sides. Getting neutral money just washes everyone down.
As for the culture of money in other countries, I was taught in B school that the ethics you have to live to are the higher of the ones in the country you are from or the ones you are in, not the lower of the two.
They may give "gifts" in China. You may take them to ensure the cultural norms are not offended but you must report them, and they should be recycled back into the country as a charity.
Personal enrichment is not cultural....it is corruption.
Posted by: Stephen at August 19, 2008 11:44 AM
Banks should only float short term bridge loans. No party should be emboldened to any institution other than their individual party donors. That on its own would tighten up discipline, on both sides. Getting neutral money just washes everyone down.
As for the culture of money in other countries, I was taught in B school that the ethics you have to live to are the higher of the ones in the country you are from or the ones you are in, not the lower of the two.
They may give "gifts" in China. You may take them to ensure the cultural norms are not offended but you must report them, and they should be recycled back into the country as a charity.
Personal enrichment is not cultural....it is corruption.
Posted by: Stephen at August 19, 2008 11:44 AM
I seem to remember Chretien's first speech as a private citizen after losing the leadership to Martin, was given in China, for a whopping million dollar speakers fee.
To be fair, maybe something is gained during the translation from "Da Proof" to Chinese, that only millionaire french and Chinese Palm Beach socialists can see.
I can't find any record of it happening now in the MSM, does anyone else remember this or have a link?
Posted by: richfisher at August 19, 2008 11:51 AM
To be fair, maybe something is gained during the translation from "Da Proof" to Chinese, that only millionaire french and Chinese Palm Beach socialists can see.
I can't find any record of it happening now in the MSM, does anyone else remember this or have a link?
Posted by: richfisher at August 19, 2008 11:51 AM
Thanks for the link, MsMew. I read the entire Sidewinder document. I think one needs to look no further than the recommendations found in part 2 of the document to discern why the investigation was closed. If, as the document suggests, Canadian security was compromised at high political and governmental levels, it offers an explanation for one of the main sources of the increase in corruption that has occurred over the last twenty years within Canada.
1. An expanded task force including analysts from at least the RCMP, CSIS, DFAIT, Immigration Canada and Revenue Canada (Customs and Excise) should be formed to pursue the research begun by this document. (S)
To assess the actual control of Chinese companies over the Canadian economy. (S)
To review who the influential Canadian figures are on the boards of the Canadian companies. (S)
To consult the FBI, which has recently undertake a similar study; such consultation could prove mutually beneficial. (S)
2. Support a series of presentations to CSIS regional directorates and RCMP divisions to alert operational managers to the need to investigate Chinese activities the better to grasp the links among the Chinese Intelligence Services, the triads and entrepreneurs in the service of Chinese Companies. (S)
3. Organize a series of presentations for senior members of the Canadian security and intelligence community. (S)
4. Organize presentations for specific government departments affected by the problem other than those in the intelligence community, such as Justice and Industry. (S)
5. Undertake review of security companies which have installed security systems for federal government departments and Crown corporations to determine the real control and ownership of the companies and the potential risk to the integrity of the systems. (S)
6. Carry out thorough research to determine the extent of contributions to Canadian political parties by Chinese companies established in Canada. (S)
7. Produce a strategic analysis of the activities and involvement of the government of China and the triads in Chinese entertainment and media in Canada. (S)Posted by: Brent Weston at August 19, 2008 12:22 PM
1. An expanded task force including analysts from at least the RCMP, CSIS, DFAIT, Immigration Canada and Revenue Canada (Customs and Excise) should be formed to pursue the research begun by this document. (S)
To assess the actual control of Chinese companies over the Canadian economy. (S)
To review who the influential Canadian figures are on the boards of the Canadian companies. (S)
To consult the FBI, which has recently undertake a similar study; such consultation could prove mutually beneficial. (S)
2. Support a series of presentations to CSIS regional directorates and RCMP divisions to alert operational managers to the need to investigate Chinese activities the better to grasp the links among the Chinese Intelligence Services, the triads and entrepreneurs in the service of Chinese Companies. (S)
3. Organize a series of presentations for senior members of the Canadian security and intelligence community. (S)
4. Organize presentations for specific government departments affected by the problem other than those in the intelligence community, such as Justice and Industry. (S)
5. Undertake review of security companies which have installed security systems for federal government departments and Crown corporations to determine the real control and ownership of the companies and the potential risk to the integrity of the systems. (S)
6. Carry out thorough research to determine the extent of contributions to Canadian political parties by Chinese companies established in Canada. (S)
7. Produce a strategic analysis of the activities and involvement of the government of China and the triads in Chinese entertainment and media in Canada. (S)Posted by: Brent Weston at August 19, 2008 12:22 PM
Stephen,
There shouldn't be any "payables" as there should be no loans to politicians or political parties.
Loans are a way for politicians to get around the no corp money rules.
Posted by: Warwick at August 19, 2008 12:24 PM
There shouldn't be any "payables" as there should be no loans to politicians or political parties.
Loans are a way for politicians to get around the no corp money rules.
Posted by: Warwick at August 19, 2008 12:24 PM
This , and a closer look at the foundations , would make me very , very happy .
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at August 19, 2008 1:12 PM
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at August 19, 2008 1:12 PM
A decade of obvious corruption within the Liberal government and particularly involving China during the Chretien years lies buried.
left leaning Canadian MSM is just as culpable in the ensuing corruption for enabling the malfeasance to flourish.
Even now Chretien continues as nothing more than a mischief maker with the headline help of the corrupt Canadian MSM.
Good on Donna Jacobs ( and of couurse the internet ) - a little late , but better late than never, I suppose.
Posted by: Joe Molnar at August 19, 2008 1:27 PM
left leaning Canadian MSM is just as culpable in the ensuing corruption for enabling the malfeasance to flourish.
Even now Chretien continues as nothing more than a mischief maker with the headline help of the corrupt Canadian MSM.
Good on Donna Jacobs ( and of couurse the internet ) - a little late , but better late than never, I suppose.
Posted by: Joe Molnar at August 19, 2008 1:27 PM
Warwick,
I am pretty sympathetic to that position. It would mean all services and goods would need to be paid for up front, but that means no credit cards etc.
The concession to 30 days is a practical one....but if it could be practically done that all services and goods are paid for in full before servcie rendered then I would be for that.
Like you I am no fan of any type of debt financing
Tough to regulate, and clearly elections Canada are more interested in capturing one party doig something than they are any other party.
Isnt an extension in paying back campaign debt just as much a problem in terms of going outside the spirit of the law as anything the tories are accussed of.
Anyway, there is definitely a lot of mainland chinese money floating around and it was pretty well understood there was lots of it around during JC's days. He is reaping the rewards now
Best line I read was "Jean Chretien got off the golf course long enough..." to comment on Harper not going to the Opening Ceremonies.
DOes JC really want us to go looking? I do have fantasies about a Con majority feeling comfotable enough to go after all of this....even if there is a majority I doubt there will be much. You really do need to look forward not backward.
Posted by: Stephen at August 19, 2008 1:30 PM
I am pretty sympathetic to that position. It would mean all services and goods would need to be paid for up front, but that means no credit cards etc.
The concession to 30 days is a practical one....but if it could be practically done that all services and goods are paid for in full before servcie rendered then I would be for that.
Like you I am no fan of any type of debt financing
Tough to regulate, and clearly elections Canada are more interested in capturing one party doig something than they are any other party.
Isnt an extension in paying back campaign debt just as much a problem in terms of going outside the spirit of the law as anything the tories are accussed of.
Anyway, there is definitely a lot of mainland chinese money floating around and it was pretty well understood there was lots of it around during JC's days. He is reaping the rewards now
Best line I read was "Jean Chretien got off the golf course long enough..." to comment on Harper not going to the Opening Ceremonies.
DOes JC really want us to go looking? I do have fantasies about a Con majority feeling comfotable enough to go after all of this....even if there is a majority I doubt there will be much. You really do need to look forward not backward.
Posted by: Stephen at August 19, 2008 1:30 PM
"Chretien is doing his job" -- so, how exactly did Chretien get this job? Were there any discussions regarding the job before he left office? How much is he getting paid? What exactly is he doing to deserve that pay? Personally, I think Karl Heinz is small potatoes compared to Power Corporation, and I think it is time for the ethics committee to have a closer look at Chretien.
Posted by: LindaL at August 19, 2008 3:28 PM
Posted by: LindaL at August 19, 2008 3:28 PM
Brent Weston: That is quite a list. Thanks for posting it. So I am assuming that despite these recommendations, nothing was done. I think this would make an interesting election issue for Conservatives if there were any way to raise the public consciousness that something is seriously amiss here. We need media profile, and then we need the Conservatives, RCMP, CSIS, etc. to pounce. (I would not plan on getting any action on this from the disfuctional "ethics" committee, but what about Government Operations and Estimates?
So, a question for the media types who hang out here, what's it going to be? Another John Edwards-style ignore-the-issue-as-long-as- possible? Or is it going to be at least taking the first steps to see if something important to Canadians has been systematically covered up?
Posted by: LindaL at August 19, 2008 3:45 PM
So, a question for the media types who hang out here, what's it going to be? Another John Edwards-style ignore-the-issue-as-long-as- possible? Or is it going to be at least taking the first steps to see if something important to Canadians has been systematically covered up?
Posted by: LindaL at August 19, 2008 3:45 PM
Talk about state secrets;
"The destruction of Canada. What was the role of TRUDEAU? Read on.
Pierre's father owned a chain of gas stations in Quebec which he sold to Petro Fina prior to WWII. As payment, Pierre's dad got a lot of shares in Petro Fina. This sale made Pierre Trudeau heir to a sizeable fortune. Pierre's dad died leaving his fortune to his wife.
In the 1970's the Arabs jacked up the price of oil and the Canadian government under Pierre Trudeau decided it needed a national "toy" oil company, i.e. Petro Canada. The boys in Ottawa decided they needed a chain of gas stations in their "toy" oil company. Petro Fina owned a chain of gas stations in eastern Canada. The stock was trading at about 10 bucks. The government began negotiations with Petro Fina and its stock rose and rose and rose. Finally, the government closed the Petro Fina deal, got the chain of gas stations, paid Petro Fina big dollars and our government got more debt.
Mrs. Trudeau got rich on the shares she held and Pierre was very happy to see his Momma get rich because he was the heir of her estate. A number of years later, Momma died and Pierre got rich too.
The documents concerning the sale were sealed for fifty years as state secret.
Pierre Trudeau, our CBC created national hero, was a crook."
Posted by: Bruce at August 19, 2008 4:33 PM
"The destruction of Canada. What was the role of TRUDEAU? Read on.
Pierre's father owned a chain of gas stations in Quebec which he sold to Petro Fina prior to WWII. As payment, Pierre's dad got a lot of shares in Petro Fina. This sale made Pierre Trudeau heir to a sizeable fortune. Pierre's dad died leaving his fortune to his wife.
In the 1970's the Arabs jacked up the price of oil and the Canadian government under Pierre Trudeau decided it needed a national "toy" oil company, i.e. Petro Canada. The boys in Ottawa decided they needed a chain of gas stations in their "toy" oil company. Petro Fina owned a chain of gas stations in eastern Canada. The stock was trading at about 10 bucks. The government began negotiations with Petro Fina and its stock rose and rose and rose. Finally, the government closed the Petro Fina deal, got the chain of gas stations, paid Petro Fina big dollars and our government got more debt.
Mrs. Trudeau got rich on the shares she held and Pierre was very happy to see his Momma get rich because he was the heir of her estate. A number of years later, Momma died and Pierre got rich too.
The documents concerning the sale were sealed for fifty years as state secret.
Pierre Trudeau, our CBC created national hero, was a crook."
Posted by: Bruce at August 19, 2008 4:33 PM
LindaL: From Peter Worthington's 2005 op-ed.
In 1999, the Security Intelligence Review Committee (SIRC), a civilian body that oversees CSIS, unleashed a scathing report against Sidewinder that humiliated both the RCMP and CSIS.
SIRC determined Sidewinder was "deeply flawed on almost all respects," it "did not meet the most elementary standards of professional and analytical rigour" and produced "no evidence of any substantial and immediate threat."
To be sure, if you read the document, there are issues with it. The grammar is noticeably poor in some places - so poor that I suspect that English is not the first language of the main writer. It appears to me to be consistent with the English skills of someone whose first language is either Cantonese or Mandarin - a conclusion that would be consistent with the subject matter of the document. Although this is not a large issue, the article could have been presented in a more professional manner simply by proofreading by someone with better English skills. The phrase "no evidence of any substantial and immediate threat" is probably true; however, it is also irrelevant as the document was advancing the idea of "a substantial and future threat".
However, the main issue for many of us is that there is a sense that the Cretien Liberals were involved in corruption to a degree that has never been resolved either one way or the other. This article also suggests Mulroney's government was part of this. That the RCMP and CSIS felt a need to create this document indicates that members of those organizations felt a sincere security issue had been compromised. In the context of the whole umbrella issue of "political correctness" and its relation to immigration, those officers were taking a clear career risk in creating the document - yet they pursued the issue. Their professional instincts led them to conclude further investigation was warranted.
The document by itself is not really incriminating and all it asks for is further investigation as shown by the 7 recommendations. The document does name names - names that are purportedly connected with Chinese organized crime and it states that these persons and organizations with which they are associated have a significant presence and influence within Canada. No evidence is presented of criminal activity within Canada. That is fine - and it is also fine that the document ask for further investigation in consideration of the suspicious nature of certain individuals involved. That this further investigation was never done and was actually stopped is troubling for me. We all know that a true bona fide investigation may have revealed nothing of consequence; that it was never done raises questions of corruption within the government.
Posted by: Brent Weston at August 19, 2008 4:35 PM
In 1999, the Security Intelligence Review Committee (SIRC), a civilian body that oversees CSIS, unleashed a scathing report against Sidewinder that humiliated both the RCMP and CSIS.
SIRC determined Sidewinder was "deeply flawed on almost all respects," it "did not meet the most elementary standards of professional and analytical rigour" and produced "no evidence of any substantial and immediate threat."
To be sure, if you read the document, there are issues with it. The grammar is noticeably poor in some places - so poor that I suspect that English is not the first language of the main writer. It appears to me to be consistent with the English skills of someone whose first language is either Cantonese or Mandarin - a conclusion that would be consistent with the subject matter of the document. Although this is not a large issue, the article could have been presented in a more professional manner simply by proofreading by someone with better English skills. The phrase "no evidence of any substantial and immediate threat" is probably true; however, it is also irrelevant as the document was advancing the idea of "a substantial and future threat".
However, the main issue for many of us is that there is a sense that the Cretien Liberals were involved in corruption to a degree that has never been resolved either one way or the other. This article also suggests Mulroney's government was part of this. That the RCMP and CSIS felt a need to create this document indicates that members of those organizations felt a sincere security issue had been compromised. In the context of the whole umbrella issue of "political correctness" and its relation to immigration, those officers were taking a clear career risk in creating the document - yet they pursued the issue. Their professional instincts led them to conclude further investigation was warranted.
The document by itself is not really incriminating and all it asks for is further investigation as shown by the 7 recommendations. The document does name names - names that are purportedly connected with Chinese organized crime and it states that these persons and organizations with which they are associated have a significant presence and influence within Canada. No evidence is presented of criminal activity within Canada. That is fine - and it is also fine that the document ask for further investigation in consideration of the suspicious nature of certain individuals involved. That this further investigation was never done and was actually stopped is troubling for me. We all know that a true bona fide investigation may have revealed nothing of consequence; that it was never done raises questions of corruption within the government.
Posted by: Brent Weston at August 19, 2008 4:35 PM
Being a Vancouverite (since 1979, and before that for a year in 1969)) and far less-enamoured of the place in recent years, I wasn't especially shocked by the Sidewinder report.
However, I WAS shocked by the low level of literacy of the report. Let's hope the intelligence is of a higher caliber than the written English.
In my office building in downtown Vancouver, there are several "immigration consultants" on my floor, and they are hopping -- hopping, I tell you. Just an hour or so ago, popped in for some mail. 6-7 young Chinese cutie-pies got on the elevator headed to my floor, presumably for a "consultation".
As Diane Francis put in the the Financial Post today: Sucker Nation!
Way back in the mid 80s an acquaintance, who had once worked for immigration, told me "we are giving away our patrimony", a most prescient call as it turns out.
Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at August 19, 2008 4:40 PM
However, I WAS shocked by the low level of literacy of the report. Let's hope the intelligence is of a higher caliber than the written English.
In my office building in downtown Vancouver, there are several "immigration consultants" on my floor, and they are hopping -- hopping, I tell you. Just an hour or so ago, popped in for some mail. 6-7 young Chinese cutie-pies got on the elevator headed to my floor, presumably for a "consultation".
As Diane Francis put in the the Financial Post today: Sucker Nation!
Way back in the mid 80s an acquaintance, who had once worked for immigration, told me "we are giving away our patrimony", a most prescient call as it turns out.
Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at August 19, 2008 4:40 PM
Look up the company Yukon Nevada on the net. This is a Chinese company that wants to dig up gold and silver in the Yukon and take it home - they want to use their own slave labor do do the job! The Premier of the Yukon was bragging about this 'arrangement' in the newspaper. The Premier of the Yukon is an ex dipper and is very cozy with the privy council M.P. (Liberal) Larry Bagnel. No American investment in this company is allowable. I wonder why that would be...?
This whole post should alarm Canadians. This is our moment..we are all Georgians.
Posted by: Jema 54 at August 19, 2008 5:06 PM
This whole post should alarm Canadians. This is our moment..we are all Georgians.
Posted by: Jema 54 at August 19, 2008 5:06 PM
The longer we can hold the Lib's out of office, the more damage the Lib's will suffer. They and their cronies(CBC) are desperate to get into office so that they can cook the books and save the party. Another Conservative minority will lay the boots to the Libs, that is another 4 years( because of fixed elections, TY P.M.S.H.). It is a race against time for the Liberals and the clock is ticking.
What are the Libs to do, force another election 2-3 yrs from now for the same results again? There is only room for one center/right party in Canada, the Libs gave up this corner when the chose Dion. We are headed for a two party system: Cons & Dippers.
Posted by: Indiana Homez at August 19, 2008 5:06 PM
What are the Libs to do, force another election 2-3 yrs from now for the same results again? There is only room for one center/right party in Canada, the Libs gave up this corner when the chose Dion. We are headed for a two party system: Cons & Dippers.
Posted by: Indiana Homez at August 19, 2008 5:06 PM
Does anyone remember the money that was going to China each week during the Chretien regime? The Conservatives brought this issue up in the House and were simply told that this money would continue to flow. It will be in Hansard somewhere I am sure. I think that it was being funnelled through CIDA (anyone think they should be investigated too?)And it was ostensibly because China was a "developing" country -- nevermind all the money they seemed to have to support the military and buy off bureaucrats. Really I think the Canada/China connection needs investigation -- there are a lot of important questions, including questions about what kind of collusion might still be going on via compliant bureaucrats in Immigration and F.A.
Posted by: LindaL at August 19, 2008 5:22 PM
Posted by: LindaL at August 19, 2008 5:22 PM
China ... Chretien ... Power Corp, Maurice Strong ... The Demarais family ... Bob Ray ... Total Elf Fina ... Oil for food ... Liberal Party ... One world government ... Population reduction ... No more capitalism ... Finally, an end to that pesky freedom thingy ... Joint with extra-terrestrial to control the Alpha Quadrant.
I'm starting to get it.
Posted by: John V at August 19, 2008 6:16 PM
I'm starting to get it.
Posted by: John V at August 19, 2008 6:16 PM
"Personally, I think Karl Heinz is small potatoes compared to Power Corporation, and I think it is time for the ethics committee to have a closer look at Chretien."
Right now, I'm thinking of Bill Sampson clamping Chretien's balls du golf in a fist.
Posted by: Hannibal Lectern at August 19, 2008 7:31 PM
Right now, I'm thinking of Bill Sampson clamping Chretien's balls du golf in a fist.
Posted by: Hannibal Lectern at August 19, 2008 7:31 PM
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CITIC was initially established to encourage foreign investment in China. It has since taken the lead in Chinese investments outside China, in all areas from real estate to electronics. In 1979 Beijing appointed to CITIC's board of directors three Hong Kong financial giants, Li Ka-Shing, Henry Fok Ying-Tung and Wang Foon-Shing. With their assistance, in the following years, the Beijing acquired important companies such as Cathy Pacific Airlines, Hong Kong Telecom and Star TV. In Canada, it is estimated that CITIC has invested nearly $500 million to buy up businesses in certain areas, such as Celgar Pulp Mill in British Columbia, Nova Corp Petrochemical in Alberta, real estate through Hang Chong Investments Ltd. and hotels.
Eventually, CITIC developed also close business links with Power Corporation. (S)
Posted by: Hannibal Lectern at August 19, 2008 8:48 PM
CITIC was initially established to encourage foreign investment in China. It has since taken the lead in Chinese investments outside China, in all areas from real estate to electronics. In 1979 Beijing appointed to CITIC's board of directors three Hong Kong financial giants, Li Ka-Shing, Henry Fok Ying-Tung and Wang Foon-Shing. With their assistance, in the following years, the Beijing acquired important companies such as Cathy Pacific Airlines, Hong Kong Telecom and Star TV. In Canada, it is estimated that CITIC has invested nearly $500 million to buy up businesses in certain areas, such as Celgar Pulp Mill in British Columbia, Nova Corp Petrochemical in Alberta, real estate through Hang Chong Investments Ltd. and hotels.
Eventually, CITIC developed also close business links with Power Corporation. (S)
Posted by: Hannibal Lectern at August 19, 2008 8:48 PM
Crouton getting grease from the deep-fried cat lovers? It's obvious. By gar.
Posted by: Shaken at August 19, 2008 10:47 PM
Posted by: Shaken at August 19, 2008 10:47 PM
Someone with a better mind than my own needs to have a look at this. An amazing analysis of all sorts of networks of corruption -- with good info re Demerais and Chinese connections ala Sidewinder: http://ajacksonian.blogspot.com/2008/07/taste-of-oil-for-food-and-its-chefs.html
It is amazing that so litte of this is reported in the Canadian Media. The Western Standard did run some background on the Demerais. Too bad they are a media source that went bankrupt.
Posted by: LindaL at August 20, 2008 12:24 AM
It is amazing that so litte of this is reported in the Canadian Media. The Western Standard did run some background on the Demerais. Too bad they are a media source that went bankrupt.
Posted by: LindaL at August 20, 2008 12:24 AM
Too many deals to negotiate and money to be made to worry about a few money launderers, drug smugglers or violent refugee claimants making their way into Canada:
CCBC Director Peter Harder Testifies Before the Standing Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade-April 29, 2008
....a CCBC member company that initially entered China via a joint venture to publish educational books has launched a new venture in cooperation
with China’s Education Ministry to offer online, interactive English language lessons to millions of Chinese university students at no cost to the student...
...CCBC is regularly asked whether the current cooler political relationships between Ottawa and Beijing are costing Canadian businesses. Until very recently, the answer we had was “Not yet.” However that is no longer true. We have had reports from members that the contracts are being lost as a direct result of the cooler relationships between our most senior political leaders. This is not “maybe,” it’s “definitely.”....
ccbc.com/home/content.php?Cat=D&id=102&Path=20080501044014.pdf
EDC invests $1.4 billion with 240 Canadian companies in China.
ccbc.com/upload/wysiwyg/20080228032454.pdf
Another Liberal scandal Tony Valeri…..That was the same year that Ng’s engineering firm won a large contract in China, with the help of a $4.5 million U.S. loan from the federal Export Development Corporation to the Chinese purchaser....
mapleleafweb.com/forums//lofiversion/index.php/t4764.html
Joe Ng Engineering Limited
ccbc.com/home/content.php?Cat=About&Subcat=Member
Posted by: JM at August 20, 2008 2:07 AM
CCBC Director Peter Harder Testifies Before the Standing Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade-April 29, 2008
....a CCBC member company that initially entered China via a joint venture to publish educational books has launched a new venture in cooperation
with China’s Education Ministry to offer online, interactive English language lessons to millions of Chinese university students at no cost to the student...
...CCBC is regularly asked whether the current cooler political relationships between Ottawa and Beijing are costing Canadian businesses. Until very recently, the answer we had was “Not yet.” However that is no longer true. We have had reports from members that the contracts are being lost as a direct result of the cooler relationships between our most senior political leaders. This is not “maybe,” it’s “definitely.”....
ccbc.com/home/content.php?Cat=D&id=102&Path=20080501044014.pdf
EDC invests $1.4 billion with 240 Canadian companies in China.
ccbc.com/upload/wysiwyg/20080228032454.pdf
Another Liberal scandal Tony Valeri…..That was the same year that Ng’s engineering firm won a large contract in China, with the help of a $4.5 million U.S. loan from the federal Export Development Corporation to the Chinese purchaser....
mapleleafweb.com/forums//lofiversion/index.php/t4764.html
Joe Ng Engineering Limited
ccbc.com/home/content.php?Cat=About&Subcat=Member
Posted by: JM at August 20, 2008 2:07 AM
To be fair, China has been following the teachings of Sun Tzu (The Art of War) for centuries and any western pooba or corporation that thinks they are "taking advantage" of the Chinese are sadly mistaken. While there is or was a lot of corruption in Canada's Foreign Service, especially in China, it would be foolish to say they were the only country affected.
As it has been mentioned before, the simple service operates on it's own, being occasionally interupted by those pesky elected people tho think they know how a government runs. The Little Thug from Shawinigate managed to see how to make his little crime syndicate bigger by going international. Somewhere in Kate's archives is a chart of Chairman Mo and Power Corp's family tree.
The interesting thing is that while Power Corp et al think they are bringing China into their little fold, it is exactly the opposite. Rest assured, the "Dragon" is not sleeping
.
Posted by: Texas Canuck at August 20, 2008 2:53 PM
As it has been mentioned before, the simple service operates on it's own, being occasionally interupted by those pesky elected people tho think they know how a government runs. The Little Thug from Shawinigate managed to see how to make his little crime syndicate bigger by going international. Somewhere in Kate's archives is a chart of Chairman Mo and Power Corp's family tree.
The interesting thing is that while Power Corp et al think they are bringing China into their little fold, it is exactly the opposite. Rest assured, the "Dragon" is not sleeping
.
Posted by: Texas Canuck at August 20, 2008 2:53 PM
